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By Sonam Sheth - Evening Politics Editor: 

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu decided on Monday evening, local time, that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will fully occupy the besieged Gaza Strip, including operating in areas where hostages are being held, according to multiple media reports.

Netanyahu also conveyed a message to Lieutenant General Eyal Zamir, the army's chief of staff, saying, "If this does not suit him, you should resign," according to EuroNews.

Read more: [https://www.newsweek.com/israel-fully-occupy-gaza-strip-netanyahu-office-2108730?utm\_source=reddit&amp;utm\_campaign=reddit\_main](https://www.newsweek.com/israel-fully-occupy-gaza-strip-netanyahu-office-2108730?utm_source=reddit&amp;utm_campaign=reddit_main)

newsweek

Netanyahu doing his best to keep the war going so he doesn’t have to pay for the crimes he’s committing.

CreamyIvy

People laughed it off when Trump &amp; Bibi "joked" about building resorts and golf courses in Gaza. 

They weren't joking and the plan is ensuring generational wealth for their respective families.

al_swedgen01

And the Trump administration only today said that states and cities that boycott Israel and its companies and products will not see FEMA funding for natural disasters. I don't say that happened without them knowing this was about to be done. 

Btw, Trump said he was going to end all wars. Well, this prolongs one.

BornAPunk

Wow, Bibi REALLY doesn’t want to go to jail

Thin-Leek5402

If this surprises anyone, I’d suggest you start paying attention to what’s going on around you.

houstonyoureaproblem

Duosion

Fairly sure this was always the plan from the beginning

Lord_Skellig

oh, no, what a surprise, who could have predicted that

_kekeke

djserc

CommonBasilisk

kingtacticool

sneezeatsage

Ok_Moose_2587

elProtagonist

[deleted]

This is a bad move that will only guarantee the conflict continues forever.

NickPrefect

JoshDrako

ChinaCatProphet

lol Hamas really thought they had something with that last propaganda video. It’s interesting to think of how symbolic it is that Hamas is forcing that hostage to dig his own grave while they are digging the graves of the Palestinian people with their continued acts of terrorism.

The Palestinian people do deserve to be free, free from Hamas and free to decide their own future but the way things are going I think they’re going to lose it all.

TerminalDeviant

Personalities aside, what's the alternative? There's a populace with decades of being taught to not only pray for the extermination of jews, but to carry it out at the cost of their own lives. That's not a neighbour you can live with. Whether it can be turned around is another matter.

WolfySpice

Nations that go to war and lose, often end up occupied. There are consequences to starting wars and losing them. Realistically this is what the situation probably requires, though it's going to be a long road to peace if there is any.

The situation of israel constantly being under attack by rockets or insurgents is untenable for them. It's likely the palestinians are probably going to have the shit governed out of them, or the radical elements will be arrested (for the verifiably criminal ones) and civilians deported.

It's a pretty unhappy ending, but there have been decades to try and find co-existence and palestinians have just gotten more extremist.

SyfaOmnis

It's a bad option, that is only happening because every *other* option is much, much worse.

FlavorBlaster42

"Allies has decided to fully occupy Germany and Japan in 1945."

I am not sure why this is getting people so upset.  Hamas made it clear that they will not give up power in any other way.

Ok-Tax-1526

Doesn’t care about human lives. Never has. In fact I’m guarantee when all things come to pass this mother fucker knew October 7th was gonna go down and did nothing.

adilly

Not surprised in the slightest.  It's land for real estate, expansion.

BritishAnimator

he did not decide just now let's be real, it was planned a long time ago.

mark1forever

They're executing their original plan, with zero friction.

VNM0601

Despite the occasional demonstration, most Americans by far are staunchly against Hamas.  Americans are generally against the factions or countries that BEGIN a war.  And when that initial aggression on Oct. 7th included the savage slaughter of families, it absolutely INCENSED the average American.  Israeli retribution was seen as excessive by many here, but not to the point of opposing an armed response.  The more prevalent attitude is that Hamas 
"had it coming," and that Hamas is savagely incapable of discussing or honoring any  peace deal.

Astro3840

It’s definitely going to be interesting how the IDF manages to separate Gazans from Hamas, it requires new humanitarian zones where Gazans can safely take refuge, humanitarian corridors to pass through them… intelligence to snuff out Hamas militants trying to exploit the humanitarian corridors… but, if successful there’s a real chance Hamas will be defeated or pressured enough to surrender finally. (Gotta destroy Hamas leadership abroad as well).

One-Salamander-1952

Not much of a choice left when the leaders of not one, not two, but *three* G7 nations rushed in unison to put out statements they would recognize a territory **actively under the rule of genocidal radical terrorists** as a state.

This then emboldened those same terrorists to brag to the world how they could stuff their own faces with food, starve and threaten the hostages they held underground, and taunt their own country that they were too powerless to stop any of it. 

That is the equivalent of if ten years ago Obama, Merkel, and Cameron recognizing ISIS rule over Iraq and Syria as legitimate before the militants filmed themselves lighting more Yazidi women on fire in cages. 

If any of us should be mad at anyone besides Hamas it should be at the three stooges Emmanuel Macron, Kier Starmer, and Mark Carney for opening their useless mouths (likely on behest of Qatar) and giving them **yet another** lifeline to fuel their stupid war.

They’ve thrown away any moral high ground they may have once had to object to any of this.

The global community failed miserably to live up to its stated promise to stand up *against* evil instead of firmly beside it and now they must be forced to finally face the consequences for their collective betrayal.

anon755qubwe

What if the same international community came together and said “We will never, not now or in the future, recognize Gaza as part of a Palestinian State unless the Israeli Hostages are freed. The Gaza civilians will then receive uninterrupted aid of all kinds in perpetuity. If Hamas releases the hostages, food and statehood is yours”

KidonUnit

There's a good analysis here (Hebrew). 
https://www.mako.co.il/news-columns/2025_q3/Article-f2c722f7f247891026.htm?pId=173113802

I suspect it's posturing for negotiations, but he won't be called on a bluff if Hamas doesn't react to negotiations.

lightmaker918

JuliaAstrowsly

Why do I feel like he's just spinning a wheel each week?

CommitteeofMountains

Perhaps an upopular opinion, and I’m no expert, but I believe that this is at least *better* than the current stategy.

Right now, the IDF’s strategy is not to reoccupy Gaza, it’s only to destroy Hamas’ ability to occupy Gaza - with no plan for who ends up occupying Gaza in the end. No one has any plan for who runs Gaza or when. It’s just a stronger more intense version of the pre-Oct-7 strategy of “mowing the grass”. And after the IDF destroys Hamas in an area and leaves, who fills the power vacuum? Hamas, again.

So someone needs to occupy Gaza to fill the power vacuum and keep Hamas at bay. So let’s ask ourselves, what if it’s Israel who occupies? Well, during the Israeli occupation from 1967 to 2005, 230 Israelis were killed in Gaza or by attacks from Gaza. And without Israeli occupation since 2005, under the “mowing the grass” strategy, 1800 Israelis have been killed in Gaza or by attacks from Gaza. So if forced to choose between the current “mowing the grass” strategy vs re-occupation, then reoccupation seems better.

And yes, this decision has been made way later than it should have been made. We know from the Gallant Ynet interview that Netanyahu has been indecisive, hesitant, and unwilling to act decisively since the beginning. [https://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/h1wovf9kjg](https://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/h1wovf9kjg)

200-inch-cock

Whatever has to be done to save the hostages and destroy Hamas I’m all for it. This was never the goal or intention but with the world on Hamas side recognizing Palestine, blaming Israel for everything and refusing to pressure the Hamas leaders in Qatar then this is the only option. 

The other option is letting Hamas survive so they can commit more Oct 7th as they promised and abandoning the hostages and the only people who want that are the scum of society and cowards

RussianFruit

There are about 20 living hostages left in Gaza.  More than 40 IDF soldiers have died in Gaza since May 15 alone.

At this point, the war can’t primarily be about the hostages.  Dead IDF soldiers matter too. 

So it’s either give up, which means Hamas returns to power and everything was for naught.  Or take the final step and destroy what’s left of Hamas, even if it means that the hostages and a lot more soldiers die in the short term.

Of course, I’d love for Bibi to call the world’s bluff and say “you’re so concerned about Gaza, you go in and finish off Hamas.”  But that won’t happen.

No_Bet_4427

This is a strategic and moral disaster, will not end the war, will not make Israel safe, will not return hostages 

harrken

1. "Netanyahu decides" this fucking far into the war is certainly an indictment on how this moron has been running this whole thing: zero foresight, zero strategic planning. He's got no clue what he's doing, but he's still sending people off to die

2. this is obviously a terrible idea that only kicks the can further down the road. All that happened was he decided to send even more troops for an even longer (and undefined) period of time and just see what happens. This is the type of thing where years from now we're gonna look back and think "why the hell did we get ourselves in this mess?"

JebBD

Occupation is the way to accomplish the war goals but unfortunately it will cost a lot of blood and treasure

thembearjew

I never understood how history could repeat itself until now. This goes one of two ways:

1. We conquer Gaza. We maintain our presence so that Hamas can never launch an October 7th again. The world condemns and shames us and calls us occupiers, because clearly we should just roll over and die instead (/s). Antisemitism rises and antisemitic/terrorist attacks rise

2. We withdraw from Gaza like we did in 2005. A new Hamas is born and the murdering continues

I see option 1 as necessary for the security of Israel and its people. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

MartySuhhh

does the original statement say occupy or conquer?

SonRaetsel

He has no option but to do this. The pressure should all be on Hamas and not Israel. The world should only be supporting Israel and not Hamas or the UN.

Slight-Strategy-5619

Ionisation1934

Will did he ask his citizens ( those who actually serve in the army) if they're willing to send their kids into the army to be an occupying force in Gaza just because he is too incompetent or unwilling to solve this in a more intelligent way?

sumostuff

There is no other choice, Hamas doesn't want to make a deal anymore.

Ok-Commercial-9408

Oh boy we're not going to sleep any time soon.

HellaBeanz

I just want our hostages back and our soldiers safe.

bluecomposer

Anyone else feel like Bibi is just going full gloves off, knowing that the international community has unresolvably fallen for the propaganda and it’s beyond saving now. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t — so you might as well do.

And when it’s all done, they’ll throw Bibi (and probably Likud too) under the bus, say it was all his fault, come to the international community admitting mistakes were made but Israel has learned now and is better.

Because short of that, I don’t see a path forward for Israel to regain any sympathy in the West. They almost have to, or they’ll forever be hated by leftists and people who (erroneously) believe a genocide is happening…. You can’t even talk to those people anymore.

VeiledShift

CapGlass3857

We’re at a crossroads for how future generations will remember how we conducted ourselves in this war, and at this rate it looks like it will not be remembered fondly

tupe12

Yes that is a good idea....

It was actually a mistake to leave Gaza in the first place ..

I have a lot of love towards Israel but this was a huge, huge crime and mistake...

When Jews can walk the streets of Palestinian cities in safety and without protection of the IDF, when there are no terrorist attacks, when Palestinian children are taught that Jews and Muslims deserve equal rights then we know it is right to form such a state...

quicksilver2009

The correct decision, albeit a bit late. Save 20 hostages or protect millions? Hamas is gambling that Israelis will return to pre-October 7 mentality. They couldn’t be so wrong.

KwameDada

Strong supporter of Israel here, but this sounds nuts to me. I'm scared. I was on the federation call with Haviv Retig Gur this morning and it all sounds very, very bleak. I really love Israel and support what the Israelis want but really was not expecting this announcement and am taken aback by it.

BananaValuable1000

If Qatar kicked out the Hamas head honchos or threatened to unless they end the war, then the war would be over. They should have done this a long time ago but they haven’t because they have no reason to care. They are not affected by the war and they don’t care about the lives of Palestinians or even Hamas’ lives.

ZealousidealAnt2168

I just feel so sick to my stomach for the remaining living hostages. I can't imagine what is going through their families heads either.

Wouldn't announcing this be an immediate death sentence for the hostages? We've already seen what Hamas will do.

DefNotBradMarchand

As a Brit, what can I do from here to support Israel?

Time_Candle_6322

so now BB is turning IDF into the full on babysitters of the gazans while continuting an endless gurilla war without any real strategy while risking both soldiers and hostages

nice

very nice

everytime when I think things cannot get any worst, BB and his goons prove that it can and it will

Tomas-T

ZGM_Dazzling

Occupy and annex. 

Force a full surrender and capitulation or complete destruction and annexation. 

Why are Arabs better than Germans, or Japanese or countless other nations that have lost wars and been forced to capitulate? Why do the Palestinians get the right to push for a ceasefire? They didn't earn it in any way. They lost physically and have zero true allies in the whole world. Their one ally couldn't get a single military kill against a country a tenth their size. 

Full surrender or complete destruction. Force the Palestinian people to surrender en-mass. Clear out half the strip down to the sand and bedrock. Anyone who surrenders gets searched for weapons and sent into the sterile half of the strip. X amount of time is given. Once that time is up the other half gets bulldozed and sterilized down to the sand and bedrock. Once that happens the whole strip can be opened up again.

CholentSoup

I’m all for Israel occupying Gaza, but it should be for the purpose of making a friendly Palestinian state, not annexation.

Balmung5

then what was the point with prolonging it for two godamn years?! also you can bet the gaza gotta put a human lined up to stop idf ine a Shield wall Style sacrificing defense

Aromatic-serve-4015

Hamas will not allow the hostages to be rescued. Gazan civlians and the hostages will both be the victims in an escalation, and Israel's international reputation will be forever tarnished with an occupation. This is exactly what Hamas wanted quite frankly. They are a terror group after all.

Putaineska

AshkenaziFinance

Well this is the most undesirable outcome, because it will burden on the political and military system. But..we’re fucking tired. It’s been two years the war in Gaza turned into cat and mouse game. I did miluim twice, but there are people who did 300+ days of service I’m sure they will agree to continue the fight but I also sure they are also hella tired, many of them have families and jobs etc. and I’m even start to talk about the hostages who still there. So yeah this way is unwanted but we need to move in a certain direction. And if someone here will ask, not we don’t need that cursed piece of land like literally at all. We lived without it since 2006, so there were no occupation, and if there will be some occupation it will be temporary.

Owl999tm

Full_Horror7114

Ok. Occupy all of Gaza. Where is the budget and troops for this occupation? How do the troops needed for a long occupation of Gaza work with Netanyahu and his government granting exemptions to Haredim from serving? 

Let’s be real. Netanyahu hopes Hamas kills the last remaining hostage; they’re an annoyance to him. As for occupation - we’ll get a short term occupation of Deir Al Balah and then leave and Hamas will come back and it’ll be an excuse to keep the war going “until victory”, which Netanyahu doesn’t want either because it would mean we finally need to have that commission into the failures that led to October 7

RNova2010

Worth listening to:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/conversations-with-coleman/id1716338488?i=1000720566368

DarkRoastAM

Demonidze

hikergent

The terrorist sympathizers claim Israel has been occupying Gaza since 1967, so they should have no reaction to this; status quo remains according to their own rules. Nothing ever happens.

Ashlepius

JewishSaddamHussein

If Hamas kills the hostages as a result of this decision, there will be some blood on Bibi’s hands.

AzorJonhai

Why can’t they keep assassinating Hamas’ leaders until one of the new leaders surrenders? Hamas leaders aren’t going to surrender if they are living in luxury outside of Gaza.

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DeltaBot

Since nobody seemed to read the actual post where OP said This is NOT a discussion of the morality and bothered trying to change their view, I'll chime in.

I don’t think Gaza’s total destruction is the only likely outcome—just the most extreme one. A more natural and historically consistent outcome is that, over time, the Palestinian population adapts. Romantic arguments about “you can’t kill an idea” make for great slogans, but history shows people abandon causes when the costs become generationally unsustainable.

Eventually—maybe after a couple more cycles of war and displacement—the dominant will likely shift from resistance to survival. That could mean accepting a much smaller, weaker, and more fragmented version of a state—far worse than what was on the table in 1948, 1967, Oslo, 2005, or 2008. Not because it's fair, but because it’s what’s left.

Obsidian1000

I'm a lot more optimistic than yourself. Here are few things to consider -   
1) At least currently, the rate of death/removal of land isn't compatible with "wiping out Gaza". That is not to say that there aren't a lot of dead Palestinians and that is not to say that any life of a single Palestinian person aren't valuable - just that for more than a year now there are more Palestinians born in Gaza than Palestinians that died, and this is when you include Hamas militants in the calculation.  Same goes for Palestinians that left Gaza. At the start of the war a meaningful amount left, but after that not so many.  
This is not to diminish the suffering or anything, just to say that for your end to be the "likely" end, we would have to see a significant increase in those parameters.   
  
2) Majority of Israelis have showed in polls consistent support for the end of the war - and this majority grows as time progresses. (I know, some people in the comments would want to bring the one outlier poll with the poor methodology about the 82%, this is not how statistics work). This is already seen in Israel reducing the number of reservists they enlist, because many of them simply don't want to come for a war they want to end. This makes the increase from (1) significantly less likely - there is no internal support for such a move. That being said - the current Israeli gov (which according to polls loses by a large margin to its opposition) still has about a year+ left in office.

3) Lastly, IDK how close you follow the news, but there are some signs that Hamas loses its power completely. Some of these signs include the PA saying worse and worse things about Hamas (for the first time they said that October 7 was horrible), there are armed militias (that Israel helped arm - something that isn't consistent with occupying Gaza btw) that openly go against Hamas, and the Gazan protests against Hamas continue. The weaker Hamas are, the less commanders they have remaining, the better the offers that Israel is likely to get. Currently, any offer that was put on the table had Hamas remaining in some capacity in Gaza. Once this is gone - ideally it's easier to push Hamas to relinquish power and give back the hostages. If this happens - it's really hard to justify the continuation of the war - both to the Israeli public (that its opinions matter) and to the US. 

4) Lastly, notice that there are reports in recent days about Trump saying to Netanyahu he wants to see an end the war soon. Seems like Trump went back from his riviera plan.

comeon456

Why would that end the conflict?

The West Bank would still be a source of contention, and enough former-Gazian Palestinians live overseas to cause trouble at some future point.

The only end to the conflict is a diplomatic one, where both sides make concessions and find agreement over common grounds. Unfortunately, the leadership on both sides is probably going to have to change before this becomes a possibility—but it's still the only real resolution; anything else is just a pause while one side or the other regroups.

Wheloc

A one state solution is possible. Everyone can live together under a free, fair, democratic country. 

Israel supported and tolerated the religious groups that became Hamas. Their goal was to allow the religious extremist groups to gain power to squash the secular Palestinian Liberation movement. 

This just ended with the fight for Palestinians in gaza being tied to religious extremism. Which was great PR for Israel. 

However, it's not true. These are real people, both in Gaza and in Israel, who just want to live their lives. They could easily live in harmony. 

Jews, Muslims, and Christians lived together in the area for centuries. The modern conflicts began after the rise of Zionism, and specifically the Balfour declaration, where the British promised the Palestinians a nation if they revolted against ottomon rule, and they also promised the same area to Zionists for a Jewish state. Then European settlers started coming and in displacing natives from their homes and villages. That's when the fighting started. 

It's not impossible for them to coexist. 

This can be ended by a state where all people have equal rights, instead of the apartheid system that is currently set up. 

The issues that prevent that: 
The right of return. Palestinians aren't given the right of return to their ancestral homelands, but Jewish people who's families haven't lived their for millenia are given that right. 

Ethnonationalism: Israel is a Jewish state. That automatically puts a certain group in a higher social status than the others 

Mutual mistrust and trauma: the decades of fighting will leave lasting scars that need to be addressed to be able to allow healing. 

I don't see a reason why these issues would prevent them from being able to live together. They're certainly much better than genocide.

mddnaa

Since the prompt is to set morality aside, the simplest way to refute this is to mention that wiping out Israel would also end the conflict. Maybe some hypothetical where Iran or Russia infiltrates their nukes and sets them off in their silos?

A more realistic option though is to get peace partners on both sides. Maybe after all of this carnage, Palestinians oust Hamas (there are already protests going on now). Then, without Hamas as a boogie man, the Israeli far right loses their appeal/seats/power. Maybe whoever replaces Netanyahu and Hamas are both so sick of the carnage that they finally make a lasting peace.

Not sure how likely that is, but I think that could happen. It would require a lot of sacrifice from both sides though.

TJaySteno1

Generally speaking, Israel is willing to make peace.  They have long term peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan.  They just recently negotiated a ceasefire with Lebanon.  

For gaza, there is one non-negotiable requirement, and one likely requirement to peace.  Fulfilling both would probably avert the complete destruction you anticipate.  

Non-negotiable:

The hostages simply have to be returned.  Israel is not going to agree to any peace treaty that leaves hostages in the hands of Hamas to star in some future snuff video.  

That’s not even just a Netanyahu thing.  Even if he is removed from power, any government that takes its place would have to get the hostages returned before ending the war. 

Note that any “peace first, then the hostages get returned” is not going to work.  The war will continue until the hostages or their bodies are recovered.  There is simply no way for it to end before then. 



Likely requirement:

Hamas probably cannot remain as the government.  Unlike the hostages, I think there is some wiggle room on this one.  But, most likely, Israel would prefer war than allow Hamas, which has promised to launch a similar massacre in the future, to stick around.  

So, can the conflict end without the destruction of gaza?   For sure!   They will have to return the hostages and probably surrender unconditionally. Gaza may choose mass death over surrender, Japan almost did that in WW2, but it doesn’t have to happen that way.

Knave7575

Is part of your belief that Hamas will never surrender and never accept a Jewish state alongside itself?

Ok_Owl_5403

I'm relieved that your post isn’t cheering for Gaza’s destruction - it’s wrestling with the fear that it might be the only end left. That sense of inevitability is what I want to gently challenge.

There’s a bitter irony here. The last time a superpower ended a major war with overwhelming force was America dropping atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It was framed as a necessary horror to stop a greater one, and it did end the war.

Fast forward to Gaza: over the past 18 months, more explosive force than both atomic bombs combined - an estimated 60+ kilotons, has been dropped on one of the most crowded civilian areas in the world.

But it hasn’t ended Hamas. It hasn’t ended the conflict. The suffering has multiplied, and peace feels more distant.

If annihilation worked, we’d already have peace.

What actually ended WWII wasn’t just devastation - it was what followed. America didn’t just flatten Japan - they rebuilt it, invested in it, and created the conditions for peace.

That’s never been done for Gaza.

If we truly want an end, maybe the answer is world leaders finding their humanity and investing in justice, not perpetual wars and the kind of peace that is supposedly going to exist when Gaza becomes  apartheid apartments by the sea, built on the rubble of an unmarked graveyard for children.

throwawayfem77

That would be contrary to a now seventy year piles of evidence of how these things generally go.

A more logical and likely outcome is a partial depopulation of the area, with an exodus to nearby regions that encompasses a substantial part of the population, with the utter collapse of any organized Palestinian command, or its reorganization around the handful of people controlling what aide is given, or the ability to take it by force.

It is unlikely that Hamas in its pre-war form will be in that role, but entirely possible that different factions of it change the label or take over different parts of it.     Its also possible that a new violent extremist group emerges with a decisive edge in internal violence use, and uses its lack of track record to be considered a temporary benign influence to the Useful Idiot class of the West. 

This isn't ethnic cleansing, it isn't genocide,  it is a rinse and repeat political pogrom, that likely will be revisited over and over for the rest of our lifetimes, until the Palestinians forsake violence.

ErieHog

Okay. While I think the ending you’ve suggested is possible, I also think it’s far from likely. Here are my reasons.

1.) Israel doesn’t want to become a pariah state. There are definitely some Israeli far-right politicians who don’t care what foreign states think of Israel, but that’s not yet the majority. And while Netanyahu has snubbed the President on occasion, it’s a thin line. 

Without American and European support, Israel would be dramatically weakened. They might be the strongest state in the region now, but a few decades down the line? Who knows. Level heads in the IDF of all places probably understand the threat international isolation poses better than Ben Gvir and his imbecilic posse.

2.) It’s too much money to continue the war indefinitely. Some kind of diplomatic agreement has to be reached, because total mobilization isn’t cheap.



The most likely solution, in my view, is another partial occupation/full occupation and a truce, not with Hamas but with some kind of puppet Palestinian authority. Kicking this can down the road has become an Israeli specialty at this point.

byzantiu

Hamas could surrender.

That always been an option. That prevent it.

Surrender has always been an option for Palestinian that they refuse to take. Take the L that they lost the war (and such lost major political capital) and decide to move on with their lives rather than try to take back what they lost.

If we take the premise that Hamas would rather all of Gaza burn then surrender to Israel, then yeah you're correct. Probably war will end with Gaza destruction.

But do you accept that premise that Palestrina people prefer death to surrender.

SnooOpinions5486

What does "wipe out" entail?
98% of Palestinians are still there after 2 years of war.


So infrastructure? Political system? Economy?

biteme4711

I will continue base on the assumption that you are only pointing out that Israel wants to complete the genocide and occupy the Gaza strip and other Palestinian lands, not endorsing or supporting their action.

* Politically speaking, Israel will most likely continue their effort because there is no opposing forces, thanks to the US' constant nays at the Security Council, if it was not Israel but another country with no lobbists paying US politicians, that country would have been bombed to oblivion two years ago.
* Militarily speaking, while Houthis are still launching missiles at Israel, but TBH it's only a nuisance at this point, and it will continue to be, base on the distance and all the arab countries that are not too keen on helping Palestine.
* Economically speaking, Israel has what it takes to keep going, of course I'm refering to the US tax dollars, while Palestine has next to nothing.
* Culturally speaking, Israel now shares the reputation of the Third-Reich and Militarist Imperial Japan, so they can't go lower, so nothing is holding them back in this regard.

It's likely Israel will continue down this path, but there is hope --

1. US will come to its senses when they realize Israel is becoming too strong in that region and starts to hurt their profit. (Not the first time, look at Al-Qaeda, Saddam Hussein, Taliban, Iran, Libyan rebels, Syrian rebels, the list goes on)
2. nternational pressure, shifting regional alliances, and global public opinion can create new dynamics that force Israel and its ally to stop.
3. Palestinian people’s resilience and the broader Arab and international solidarity movements continue to exert pressure, demanding justice and a sustainable resolution.

In short, while the current trajectory appears grim, complex geopolitical realities and historical precedents suggest that total annihilation is not the only possible end. Change—though difficult—remains within the realm of possibility.

CanadianGangsta

I unfortunately think your view is not... unlikely, but we have to keep in mind that past peace breakthroughs in the region also were unfathomable before they actually occurred. Nobody thought peace between Egypt and Israel would ever be possible before the brave, extended campaign on the part of Egyptian leadership to normalize relations.

It certainly isn't guaranteed, but a unified leadership on the palestinian side, willing to embrace peace and negotiate in good faith, and with the backing of the international community could force israel into a position where they *must* negotiate peace. I have my disagreements with Israeli leadership, but historically Israel has pretty astutely responded to the political realities on the ground, whether or not those aligned with their (often distasteful) political aspirations. 

if, by some miracle, a coherent palestinian leadership emerged that was dead-set on peace, it is not unlikely that Israel would have to negotiate a peace agreement with them - just like Jordan, Egypt, and now even Saudi Arabia

I think that with proper public pressure, the US and European governments will eventually have to do less and less for Israel, until Israel is forced to make peace.

Israel’s unpopularity and waning support will eventually make it collapse.

So the only way to stop a genocide is to let the people be completely destroyed and finish the genocide? Great insight sis 🤣

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